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Australia Accused killer says he was defending his 'missus' in fatal 'road rage' stabbing with backpacker

22:40  28 october  2019
22:40  28 october  2019 Source:   abc.net.au

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A man accused of murdering a German backpacker in a road rage argument in Brisbane two years ago told Queensland police he "felt nothing" when he stabbed the tourist multiple times with a fishing knife, a court has heard.

Jamie Saxon, 35, has pleaded not guilty in the Supreme Court to the murder of 30-year-old Dominik Schulze, after the car driven by Mr Saxon's then girlfriend clipped Mr Schulze on Milton Road in inner-city Brisbane on October 6, 2017 and a scuffle broke out.

In an interview with police the following day — which was played to the court on day four of the trial — Mr Saxon said all he was trying to do was defend himself and his partner.

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"It started off as an accident, it ended in a tragedy," Mr Saxon told police.

The trial has heard Mr Schulze and his friend Jens Mennebroecker had been out drinking "goon and beers" all night, and had gone for a walk to a fast food restaurant when Mr Schulze was hit by the car that Mr Saxon's then girlfriend Jessica Wilkes was driving at about 4:00am.

She told the court Mr Schulze was spotted in the middle of the road with his pants down and holding a bag of takeaway food, but said she could not avoid the German national.

In the police interview played in court, Mr Saxon said he initially got out of the car to ask Mr Schulze if he was alright and he tried to help him off the ground, but the backpacker "jumped up in action" and started "shaping up" towards him, "wanting to have a go".

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"We started arguing … I said 'mate, you just cracked my windscreen'," Mr Saxon told police in the video.

"What the f*** mate … why the hell are you in the middle of the bloody road with your pants down?

"He's gone to grab my missus … I said 'what the hell … what are you going to do?'. He [Mr Schulze] said 'I'm going to have you'."

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'I just wanted to scare him away'

Mr Saxon told police he tried multiple times to settle Mr Schulze, telling him to "back away", but the scuffle continued around the car before he said he was pinned up against it by the German backpacker.

When police asked what happened next, Mr Saxon responded "I stabbed him".

"I warned him," Mr Saxon told police.

"Simple … I was defending myself and my missus, and this nutter … standing in the middle of the road with his pants down … hit by a car … what the hell is he getting up trying to fight me for?"

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Mr Saxon told police he thought Mr Schulze was trying to grab his partner by the throat, but he did not see whether Mr Schulze actually did because he was turning around to get the fishing knife from the car.

"I don't know if he actually grabbed her … but that's all I need to see," Mr Saxon told police.

"Don't touch me, my missus or my family — it all happened real fast … this is not step-by-step, slow-motion shit.

"I got it [the knife] out to scare him … I wasn't originally going to stab him — I just wanted to scare him away but he wasn't getting scared … he [Mr Schulze] was just getting angrier."

He said Mr Schulze was not taking his warnings seriously but when it came down to it, Mr Saxon told police he "didn't think … just reacted".

"How it ended up is how it ended up," he told police in the interview.

"I'm sorry… I'm really sorry and [starts crying] — it was a series of unfortunate events for him and me."

The court heard one officer ask Mr Saxon in the interview if there was anything he could have done to stop the situation from escalating.

"Yes … if I had a time machine," Mr Saxon responded.

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'I don't even know what he looks like'

Mr Saxon told police he blacked out and had not even known Mr Schulze was dead until police came to his home.

"I felt nothing … there was no feeling or thought involved … it was just reaction, that's all," Mr Saxon told police.

"To his [Mr Schulze's] family and friends … sorry to hear … I don't even know who he is … I don't even know what he looks like."

The court heard after the incident Mr Saxon got in the car and drove away to pick up his parents from the train station, but he could not tell police what he had done with the knife.

The rest of the video will be played before the jury today, with the prosecution's evidence expected to wrap up by mid-morning.

In earlier evidence, Ms Wilkes told the court when Mr Saxon grabbed the knife from the car, she told him to stop, to get back into the vehicle, and for the other men to leave, but she said she did not witness the stabbing.

"I asked him what happened and he said he bashed the guy," Ms Wilkes said.

'Not that drunk'

An autopsy report found Mr Schulze was four times over the alcohol limit about the time he died.

But Mr Mennebroecker — who had travelled from Germany to give evidence at the trial on Monday — said he and Mr Schulze were in a "good mood".

"We were drunk, we were in a good mood, but not that drunk that we couldn't talk. We could walk," Mr Mennebroecker told the court.

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He said as soon as Mr Schulze was hit by the car, Mr Saxon — who Mr Mennebroecker remembers as the driver — was instantly aggressive towards them.

"He stand up [sic] and then the guy came out of the car and start being [sic] aggressive, yelling," Mr Mennebroecker told the hearing.

"We were yelling back, he was yelling … there was an argument and then he said that he had a knife and didn't take him for fool (sic).

"And we said f*** off, we don't care if you have a knife … we thought he wouldn't stab us."

Mr Mennebroecker denied any punches were thrown, or that they pushed Ms Wilkes throughout the scuffle, but admitted it was possible they were calling Mr Saxon a "fat f***".

'My best friend just got killed'

Under cross-examination Mr Mennebroecker denied Mr Schulze had taken a fighting stance when Mr Saxon first got out of the car and said "I'm going to have you".

"Why didn't you and Dominik walk away, if you were in front of the car," Mr Saxon's defence barrister Kim Bryson asked Mr Mennebroecker.

Mr Mennebroecker responded: "I don't know why — why is he not driving away, when he get the knife so he can sit in the car and drive away (sic)?"

Ms Bryson suggested that when Mr Saxon had gone back to the car to get the knife, the pair were standing close to Ms Wilkes.

"And he said, 'back off or I'll stab you' or something like that," Ms Bryson put to Mr Mennebroecker.

Mr Mennebroecker responded: "No, he just said, 'I got a knife and I'm going to stab you'."

"My suggestion is you are confused about what happened," Mr Bryson put to Mr Mennebroecker about his evidence.

"Of course," Mr Mennebroecker replied, later telling the prosecutor under re-examination that he was confused "because my best friend just got killed".

"It's not easy to talk about it and everything is coming up now again," Mr Mennebroecker told the court.

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