•   
  •   

Australia John Edwards granted 'Commissioner's Permit' to begin gun training

00:31  11 july  2018
00:31  11 july  2018 Source:   smh.com.au

How killer John Edwards was able to own murder weapons

  How killer John Edwards was able to own murder weapons Current and former spouses are left vulnerable under Australia's gun laws.Current and former spouses should be interviewed by police whenever people apply for a handgun licence and permit in NSW, according to a University of Sydney gun law expert.

John Edwards , the man who shot his two children dead last Thursday, was able to pursue his handgun training because he was granted a so-called “ Commissioner ’ s Permit ", overriding red flags raised by his answers on declarations about his background.

John Edwards , the man who shot his two children dead last Thursday, was able to pursue his handgun training because he was granted a so-called “ Commissioner ’ s Permit ’, overriding red flags raised by his answers on declarations about his background.

John Edwards shot dead his children Jennifer and Jack before taking his own life.© Supplied John Edwards shot dead his children Jennifer and Jack before taking his own life.

John Edwards, the man who shot his two children dead last Thursday, was able to pursue his handgun training because he was granted a so-called “Commissioner’s Permit’, overriding red flags raised by his answers on declarations about his background.

Looking to buy?
How To Get A Home Loan With 5% Deposit
Find out more on Finder
Sponsored by Finder.com.au

It is understood this permit reassured officials at the St Mary’s Indoor Shooting Centre that Edwards could legally undergo handgun training - the first step to getting a handgun licence and then a permit in NSW - despite his answers on a declaration form raising flags in the system.

'I know what that woman is going through': Emotional Rosie Batty reaches out to the distraught mother whose teenage children were gunned down by their 'coward' father - years after her own ex-partner killed her son

  'I know what that woman is going through': Emotional Rosie Batty reaches out to the distraught mother whose teenage children were gunned down by their 'coward' father - years after her own ex-partner killed her son Rosie Batty has said she understands the pain of a Sydney mother who's children Jack, 15, and Jennifer, 13, were killed by their father, saying it was not 'some weird thing that a loving father has done'.Domestic violence campaigner Rosie Batty made an emotional speech for the mother of two Sydney children, who were also killed at the hands of their father.

John Edwards , the person who shot his two youngsters useless final Thursday, was in a position to pursue his handgun coaching as a result of he was granted a so-called “ Commissioner ’ s Allow’, overriding pink flags raised by his solutions on declarations about his background.

Did you know about John Edwards granted ' Commissioner ' s Permit ' to begin gun training . Edwards began the process of getting a handgun lic

"With a history like his there is no way he ever should have been given the Commissioner’s Permit," said Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party MP Robert Borsak. "Whoever did it, whoever it was who did the double check and the triple check on [Edwards] somehow failed on this occasion."

Edwards killed his son Jack, 15, and daughter Jennifer, 13, in West Pennant Hills before later turning the murder weapon on himself in his Normanhurst home.

Gun clubs cannot give a person handgun training until they have filled in a so-called P650 form, declaring among other things whether they have criminal records or mental health concerns or have had an Apprehended Violence Order taken out against them in the past decade. They must also reveal if they have been rejected by other clubs.

Pennant Hills shooting: Mother releases photos of son Jack and daughter Jennifer

  Pennant Hills shooting: Mother releases photos of son Jack and daughter Jennifer Pennant Hills shooting: Mother releases photos of son Jack and daughter JenniferJack Edwards, 15, and Jennifer Edwards, 13, were killed just before 5.20pm on Thursday at their West Pennant Hills home in what police say was a "planned attack" by John Edwards, a 68-year-old financial services worker.

Known as a commissioner ’ s permit , it meant Edwards was able to begin a gun training program at the St Marys Indoor Shooting Centre and eventually buy the two “powerful” handguns he used to murder his son and daughter.

John Edwards was able to obtain two handguns after being granted a commissioner ’ s permit . Photograph: Paul Miller/AAP. The permit meant Edwards was able to begin a gun training program at the St Marys Indoor Shooting Centre in western Sydney, and eventually get access to the

Those that tick “yes” to any of these boxes on a questionnaire must then apply to the NSW Firearms Registry for a Commissioner’s Permit. Applications are considered by the registry, a command of NSW Police.

If someone secures a Commissioner's Permit, a gun club can legally train them even if they have ticked “Yes” to one of the red flag questions.

Some time in January last year Edwards was rejected for membership of the Ku-Ring-Gai Pistols Club, preventing him from receiving training. His attempt to apply was refused in part because club officials did not find him to be of good character, and in part due to his answers on the P650.

It appears he unsuccessfully sought to join other clubs and then approached the NSW Firearms Registry and was able to secure a Commissioner’s Permit.

Then some time before May, Edwards approached St Mary’s Indoor Shooting Centre and accurately filled in a P650, but was able to commence training because of his Commissioner’s Permit.

Sydney father who shot his teenage children left letters

  Sydney father who shot his teenage children left letters A father who shot his teenage children in their Sydney home left letters that were to be opened after his death.A father who shot his teenage children in their Sydney home left letters that were to be opened after his death.

John Edwards granted ' Commissioner ' s Permit ' to begin gun training . John Edwards was able to pursue his handgun training despite his answers on a declaration form raising flags in the system.

John Edwards granted ' Commissioner ' s Permit ' to begin gun training . Jack Edwards died trying to protect his sister from father's gunfire. John Edwards murders : NSW Labor calls for review of gun laws after killings . © Supplied John Edwards shot dead his children Jennifer and Jack before taking

It is understood that between his attempt to join the Ku-Ring-Gai club and his application for a Commissioner's Permit, 10 years had lapsed since his AVO.

But according to Mr Borsak, even if that was the case, the NSW Firearms Registry should not have considered him for a Commissioner's Permit. "They have discretion, they have knocked back many constituents who have come to my office. With his history they should have knocked him back," he said.

Mr Borsak said that given Edwards' AVO, his long-term domestic dispute and his "gun club shopping", he should have been considered to be in the "worst possible category of someone who is likely to behave like this".

He said the NSW Firearms Registry had access to a police intelligence unit, but the organisation had been starved of funding and risked becoming a "basket case".

Police Minister Troy Grant said on Tuesday that he had written to Federal Attorney-General Christian Porter to "discuss issues associated with improving information sharing between the Family Law Court and state and territory police forces”.

NSW opposition call for review of gun laws

  NSW opposition call for review of gun laws NSW Opposition leader Luke Foley says the government should consider a review of state gun laws after the deaths of two Sydney teenagers last week. Not-for-profit group Gun Control Australia has called for new family law firearm safety checks.GCA director Samantha Lee says current gun laws fail to adequately protect women and children because they require an AVO to be in place or a charge for a criminal offence before a firearm may be revoked or suspended."By then, it may be too late to save a life," Ms Lee said in a statement.

The permit meant Edwards was able to begin a gun training program at the St Marys Indoor On Tuesday the NSW police minister, Troy Grant , and police commissioner , Mick Fuller, held talks to discuss potentially tightening gun John Edwards murders put gun club rules under scrutiny.

Week, News Update, John , Edwards , granted , Commissioners , Permit , to , begin , gun , training , wind farm, latigo, utah, monticello.

Mr Grant and Police Commissioner Mick Fuller discussed a range of issues and measures on  firearms licensing in NSW during a meeting on Tuesday.

The pair are now looking at measures to improve the exchange of information between state and federal government agencies, as well as the assessment of mental health and other medical issues relating to firearm applicants.

However, Mr Grant said the investigation was still under way and the government would wait until "all information is at hand before considering any appropriate measures that will improve family and community safety".

The minister also said there would be no reduction in staff numbers or resources at the Firearms  Registry.

Subsequent to Edwards joining the club and completing his training, there were two other instances in which the Firearms Registry could have intervened before he was able to legally buy a handgun.

According to procedures, a background check should have been conducted once he completed his training and applied for a probationary handgun licence, and again later when he applied for permits to buy his guns.

A spokesman for NSW Police would not comment due to the ongoing investigation, nor would a representative of the St Mary’s Indoor Shooting Centre.

Jack Edwards died trying to protect his sister from father's gunfire .
The teenager attempted to shield Jennifer Edwards, 13, from their father.The Herald revealed on Wednesday that Mr Edwards was able to legally obtain a handgun permit and licence at St Mary's Indoor Shooting Centre because he was granted a Commissioner's Permit.  He was given the permit despite his answers on a declaration form raising red flags that saw him refused membership at other clubs.

—   Share news in the SOC. Networks

Topical videos:

This is interesting!