Ukrainian Boeing 737 crashes in Iran, all 170 aboard killed: Iranian state TV
Ukrainian Boeing 737 with at least 170 aboard crashes in IranA Ukrainian airliner carrying at least 170 passengers crashed on Wednesday due to technical problems soon after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeini airport, and all aboard were killed, Iran's state television said.
Boeing ’s 737 Max is the latest version of a plane that first went into service half a century ago.Credit Matt Mcknight/Reuters. And in the years that followed, Boeing pushed not just to design and build the new plane , but to persuade its airline customers and, crucially, the Federal Aviation
The Boeing 737 , owned by the low-cost airline Lion Air , went down after The incident is reported to be the first major accident involving a Boeing 737 Max - an updated version of the 737 . Image caption This Lion Air plane landed in the sea off Bali in 2013, but all passengers and crew survived.
- Internal messages from Boeing employees reveal that one called Lion Air, the airline involved in the first fatal 737 Max crash"idiots" for wanting simulator training for its pilots.
- Lion Air inquired about the training, prompting an employee to say that it might be "because of their own stupidity" in 2017, according to reports by and
- A Lion Air Boeing 737 Max plane crashed and killed all 189 people on board in October 2018, and the final report pointed partly to the plane's technology and how pilots were not fully trained to deal with it.
- Boeing sold the plane on the basis that pilots who could already fly the regular 737 would not need simulator training, making it cheaper and faster for airlines to introduce it to their fleets.
- It relented this month, saying it will recommend pilots train in simulators before flying Max planes.
- The messages were part of a drove of documents released by Boeing, which show employees talking about concerns with the plane but still pushing its production forward.
Boeing employees called the airline involved in the first fatal crash of a Boeing 737 Max plane crash "idiots" for wanting training before it started to fly the plane model.
Boeing now recommends 737 MAX simulator training for pilots before flight resumption
Boeing now recommends 737 MAX simulator training for pilots before flight resumption"This recommendation takes into account our unstinting commitment to the safe return of service as well as changes to the airplane and test results. Final determination will be established by the regulators," Boeing said in a statement.
The latest on the crash of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, a Boeing 737 Max 8. The concern after the Lion Air crash was that erroneous readings from poorly maintained sensors in the nose of the plane might have fooled the automatic systems into falsely concluding that the plane was traveling sharply
Since the Lion Air crash , pilots certified to fly the Max have complained that they were not Boeing introduced the 737 Max as a reliable fuel- and cost-efficient solution to air travel in the 21st century. In the first sign of trouble in its doomed flight on Oct. 29, the plane dipped around 700 feet, and in
that employees were alarmed when Lion Air inquired about its pilots getting training in a simulator before they started to fly the new plane model.
The messages, released by Boeing, are redacted, but the House Transportation Committee. Lion Air as the subject of the messages.
The messages, which mocked the airline's inquiry, came as Boeing also convinced Lion Air that such training was not necessary - an idea Boeing used as a key selling point to sell the plane to airlines - both outlets reported.
They are from June 2017, the same month that Lion Air asked Boeing about additional training.
Missing plane found in 'steep and rugged' terrain on border
The crash site was located by air on Monday, after the plane went missing with two people on board. The Westpac Rescue Helicopter found the crash site about 1.5 kilometres into the Koreelah National Park on the Queensland border about 9.45am on Monday, according to NSW police.The single-engine plane left Casino Airport about 2pm on Sunday, bound for Boonah in Queensland's south-east.A search was called when the plane failed to arrive about one hour later and attempts to contact the pilot were unsuccessful.Two aircraft and police officers on the ground failed to find any sign of the plane on Sunday night.
The Lion Air pilots struggled to keep the plane ascending, with the jet’s nose forced dangerously downward over two dozen times during the There has not been a crash involving Ethiopian Airlines since January 2010, when a Boeing 737 crashed into the Mediterranean Sea shortly after it took off
Boeing Thwarted Lion Air ' Idiots ’' Calls for 737 Max Training Before Deadly Crash . Indonesia’s Lion Air considered putting its pilots through simulator training before flying the Boeing Co I’m scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots ,” one Boeing employee wrote in June
In one exchange, an unnamed employee writes: "Now friggin [Lion Air] might need a sim to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I'm scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! Idiots."
A colleague responded: "WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!" - an apparent reference to Malaysian carrier Malindo Air, which was already flying the plane.
Lion Air did not comment on whether it was the carrier named in the messages, but people familiar with the exchanges told Bloomberg that Lion Air had inquired about simulator training before accepting Boeing's line that it was not necessary.
One of Lion Air's Boeing 737 Max planes then crashed in October 2018, killing all 189 people on board.
and criticised the manufacturer for not telling airlines about new software on the plane which malfunctioned during both fatal 737 Max crashes.
Regulators Mull Simulators Before Boeing 737 MAX Can Fly: WSJ
Federal aviation regulators are considering requiring pilots to complete simulator training before they can operate Boeing Co.’s 737 MAX jets again, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing government and industry officials familiar with the matter. The Federal Aviation Administration originally rejected the idea, causing extra costs and delays for airlines, the Journal said. But in recent weeks officials said there has been increased interest among agency and industry safety experts in requiring such training.
As the Lion Air crew fought to control their diving Boeing Co. 737 Max 8, they got help from an unexpected source: an off-duty pilot who happened to be riding in the cockpit. An off-duty pilot saved the 737 Max from a crash . The next day, the same plane on flight JT610 crashed into the sea.
When the Federal Aviation Administration announced it was grounding all Boeing 737 Max planes , the agency said it had identified similarities between last month's Ethiopian Airlines crash and the Lion Air crash in Indonesia six months earlier.
An Ethiopian Airlines plane crashed in March 2019, killing all 157 on board. The crash resulted in the Max planes being grounded around the world, where they still remain and cost airlines and Boeing billions of dollars.
Boeing is still working to get upgrades to the plane that would let it fly again approved by regulators.
Boeing had pushed back against the idea of simulator training as unnecessary
Boeing had argued that additional training was not necessary for pilots because of the plane's similarity to previous Boeing 737 models, making its adoption cheaper and quicker for airlines, and thus a more attractive purchase.
In a March 2017 internal email released in the documents, Boeing's 737 Chief Technical Pilot wrote:
"I want to stress the importance of holding firm that there will not be any type of simulator training required to transition from NG to MAX. Boeing will not allow that to happen. We'll go face to face with any regulator who tries to make that a requirement."
American pilots have been critical of Boeing for not telling airlines about the new software.
Teachers sue Delta over plane's fuel dump near school playground
Following the Delta Air Lines Flight 89 emergency fuel dump on Tuesday that landed on an elementary school grounds, four teachers drenched by the airliner filed a lawsuit against the company on Friday. The teachers say jet fuel rained downon them after it was ejected by the Boeing 777 that returned to the airport shortly after takeoff. According to the lawsuit, children and adults could "feel fuel on their clothes, flesh, eyes, and skin. "Fuel penetrated their mouths and noses as well, producing a lasting and severe irritation and a lasting and noxious taste and smell," the suit said.
In February 2018, a Boeing worker asked a colleague: "Would you put your family on a Max Boeing has said it is redesigning the automated control system thought to have been the primary cause of 29 October 2018: A 737 Max 8 operated by Lion Air crashes after leaving Indonesia, killing all 189
Boeing has said that experienced 737 pilots needed little training for the new Max 8, an assertion that has now come under close scrutiny by regulatory officials and pilots at other airlines . Two of the planes have fatally crashed in the past five months, and regulators around the world grounded all
Then-Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg alsoafter the second crash by saying it was "embedded" into the way pilots handled the plane, and so "when you train on the aeroplane, you are being trained on MCAS."
that Lion Air had inquired about its pilots getting one simulator session and 24 hours of classroom time before flying the plane.
Boeing, saying that it would recommend pilots train in simulators before they fly Max planes once it returns to service.
One analyst then noted that this could up the cost for airlines - who are already struggling under the cost of the Max crisis - and removes one of the airlines' main incentives for buying the plane.
Jonathan Raviv, a Citi analyst,in a research note: "This erodes one of the key selling points of the Max in the first place,"
A series of employee messages show they were concerned about the plane, but let it go to production
More than 100 pages of documents thatobtained by Reuters reveal that some employees were aware of issues with the plane.
Two Boeing employeesthat they wouldn't let their families fly on the 737 Max.
Wheel falls off passenger plane upon take-off
Wheel falls off passenger plane upon take-off The Dash 8-300 was headed for Bagotville, Canada, but the plane was forced to turn back. The pilot circled to burn fuel before making an emergency landing in Montreal. “This is a very tough airplane and it's designed to be able to support the weight of the airplane on one wheel on each side," ABC News' Aviation Analyst John Nance said. Air Canada said emergency vehicles were called as a precautionary measure and that none of the 52 people on board were injured.
Boeing launched its 737 - Max 8 model last year. The plane that crashed went into service just a Officials say the pilot had asked to return to Soekarno-Hatta airport before losing contact with air Lion Air chief executive Edward Sirait said on Tuesday that the plane had been repaired before
When Boeing developed its 737 Max , regulators determined that pilots could fly the planes without extensive additional training because they were essentially the The plane , the 737 Max , was deeply rooted in the company’s psyche, a reflection of its engineering prowess and its enviable safety record.
And one employee, after both crashes: "I still haven't been forgiven by god for the covering up I did last year. Can't do it one more time. The Pearly gates will be closed ..."
Another employee wrote: "This aeroplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys."
of the documents in harrowing terms to Business Insider.
Chris Moore, the father of 24-year-old Danielle Moore who was killed, said he spent "an agonizing night" thinking about the messages, and said that the families of those killed were the "punchline" of a joke among Boeing staff.
the communications "do not reflect the company we are and need to be, and they are completely unacceptable."
"We regret the content of these communications, and apologise to the FAA, Congress, our airline customers, and to the flying public for them. We have made significant changes as a company to enhance our safety processes, organisations, and culture.
"The language used in these communications, and some of the sentiments they express, are inconsistent with Boeing values, and the company is taking appropriate action in response. This will ultimately include disciplinary or other personnel action, once the necessary reviews are completed."
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Iran invites American investigators to take part in the probe into PS752 plane incident that killed 176 people on board.Britain and Canada meanwhile said they had received information suggesting the doomed Flight PS752 with 176 passengers, many of them Iranians with dual nationalities, was hit by an Iranian missile.