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Canada Black box analysis results from Iranian air crash likely to be 'anticlimactic,' says expert

08:50  15 february  2020
08:50  15 february  2020 Source:   cbc.ca

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He said the results of the black box analysis , when they come, could be disappointing. "It'll be entirely anticlimactic ," said Poole, CEO of Plane Poole said the flight data recorder is likely to show the plane flying along normally right up until the missile struck. At best, he said , the cockpit recorder might

Air crash investigators have begun analysing the black box data recorder from Ethiopian Airlines flight It is likely to be several days before any interim findings are released, according to Ethiopian Airlines Gebremariam said there was a “clear similarity between our crash and the Lion Air crash .”

a hand holding a box of donuts: A flight recorder, also known as a black box, purportedly recovered from the crashed Ukrainian airliner, Boeing 737-800, is seen in this still image taken from a video in Tehran, Jan. 10, 2020.© IRIB VIA WANA/Handout via Reuters A flight recorder, also known as a black box, purportedly recovered from the crashed Ukrainian airliner, Boeing 737-800, is seen in this still image taken from a video in Tehran, Jan. 10, 2020.

The "black box" flight data recorders at the centre of a dispute between the international community and Iran in the wake of the destruction of Ukrainian Airlines Flight 752 likely won't contain information that can push the investigation forward, say Canadian flight recorder experts.

Mike Poole, a former Transportation Safety Board investigator, has been specializing in flight recorders for more than 30 years. He built Canada's black box analysis lab and now sets up recorder analysis facilities around the world. He said the results of the black box analysis, when they come, could be disappointing.

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Iranian authorities recovered the plane’s “ black box ” flight data recorders, but they were damaged by the crash and fire, the Iranian report said . “We took this responsibility upon ourselves when we joined the airline — to be ready for anything to happen.” Julian E. Barnes and Eric Schmitt reported

black boxes ,” said Soerjanto Tjahjono, the head of the National Transportation Safety Committee, which is leading the crash investigation. The Indonesian Navy initially said that the device that was discovered was the flight data recorder. But Thursday evening, Ony Soerjo Wibowo, an investigator

"It'll be entirely anticlimactic," said Poole, CEO of Plane Sciences Inc. "The likelihood they're going to bear fruit is pretty small or zero."

The contents of flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders are usually critical to crash investigations. In this case, however, the cause is no mystery: Iran admitted its military "mistakenly" shot down the jet shortly after it took off from Tehran on Jan. 8.

Poole said the flight data recorder is likely to show the plane flying along normally right up until the missile struck. At best, he said, the cockpit recorder might have captured a few words from the flight crew.

"I think you'll hear a normally functioning airplane and crew speaking and data will just stop," said Poole. "You might hear a few seconds of the aftermath."

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Russian experts investigating a plane crash outside Moscow that killed 71 people at the weekend have said The IAC said it had completed analysis of the Iced-over pitot tube instruments were named as one of the likely reasons behind the Air France 447 flight crashing into the Atlantic in 2009, killing

Indonesian investigators have said the Lion Air plane that crashed last month killing 189 people was not airworthy and should have been grounded. But I am trying to be objective and strong." She, like many grieving families, is mostly frustrated that the search for the remaining passengers has officially

The crash happened on a night of heavy military activity after Iran's forces fired missiles at Iraqi bases where U.S. troops were stationed. Iran's attack was retaliation for an American drone strike that killed a high-ranking Iranian military general in Iraq. Of the 176 people killed in the crash, 57 were Canadian citizens and 29 were permanent residents.

a man standing in front of a computer: Black box expert Mike Poole examines a flight data recorder - the same model as the one involved in the Flight 752 crash.© Ashley Burke/CBC News Black box expert Mike Poole examines a flight data recorder - the same model as the one involved in the Flight 752 crash.

The International Co-ordination Response Group, made up of countries that lost people in the crash, has been urging Iran to either analyze the black boxes without delay or hand them over to a country that can. Canada also asked the United Nations agency for civil aviation to intervene.

Former longtime TSB investigator Larry Vance said analyzing the black boxes is worth doing for transparency's sake. What worries him, he said, is how an aviation crash probe has turned into an international political football.

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He said the black boxes , which record the crew’s conversations and the plane’s speed, altitude and heading, might have to be sent to Russia for repair. The Iranian news agency ISNA reported that a delegation of five Russian experts would travel to The crash is Iran ’s worst air disaster in six years

Black box data reveals problems with the airspeed indicator on the crashed Indonesian passenger jet. A passenger jet that crashed into the sea near Indonesia last week had an airspeed indicator problem on its final four flights, officials say .

"It seems to be a standoff at this stage," he said. "It shouldn't be that way in an accident investigation."

Iran doesn't have the technical capabilities to analyze the black boxes itself. According to international rules, Iran is supposed to ask another country with the proper facilities to help; so far there's no word when or where the black boxes may be analyzed.

In Munich, Germany, today for a security conference, Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne said he's seeing progress in his efforts to convince the Iranians to turn the flight data recorders over to a third party. He said the Iranians no longer appear to be arguing that the recorders must be analyzed in Iran.

Vance said the squabble over the fate of the data recorders may end up convincing the victims' families that they contain a wealth of new information — and he fears they're being set up for disappointment.

"The build-up to reading out the data recorders is higher than it should be," said Vance. "I think families are getting their hopes up and that's unfair.

"I think politicians should be a little bit careful in trying to pressure the Iranians for international and political reasons — that they aren't creating higher expectations than there should be for the families."

Trudeau's office won't say if it recorded meeting with Iranian foreign minister .
While Iran has released a video excerpt of its foreign minister meeting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Canadian officials won’t say whether they have any recordings of their own of the politically sensitive interaction. Trudeau has been criticized for his demeanour in the video and photos, also released by Iran, of the meeting as Canada attempts to get answers and compensation for the families of 57 Canadians killed when Iran shot down a Ukrainian airliner in January. The Iranian video shows a smiling Trudeau grasping Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif's hand with both of his.

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