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SportsBlue Jays Confidential: Is pitching a must in return for Marcus Stroman?

19:55  11 july  2019
19:55  11 july  2019 Source:   sportsnet.ca

The Blue Jays’ glass is half-empty at the midpoint of the season

The Blue Jays’ glass is half-empty at the midpoint of the season The Blue Jays have reached the halfway point of the season and things couldn’t have gone much worse for the rebuilding club. Toronto is a season-low 23 games below .500 heading as it opens a four-game series against the Kansas City Royals on Friday. Injuries and streaky performances on the mound and at the plate have created a malaise around the Jays, with an average of just 20,420 fans showing up at Rogers Centre for home dates, the third-worst mark in the stadium’s history. Asked last week what, if anything, has been the most disappointing part of the season, general manager Ross Atkins couldn’t pinpoint one area.

Blue Jays received in return for Marcus Stroman in Anthony Kay & Simeon Woods Richardson, why minor league baseball uses a different baseball than MLB, when Woods may see MLB action, how the pair compare to Deivi Garcia - who the Blue Jays wanted from the Yankees, and the top arms in

Marcus Stroman and cash considerations are headed to the New York Mets in exchange for Simeon Woods Richardson and Anthony Kay. Toronto is clearly hoping Kay and Woods Richardson can be guys that fit that description. Kay is the Mets’ top-ranked pitching prospect according to MLB Pipeline.

Blue Jays Confidential: Is pitching a must in return for Marcus Stroman?© Mark Blinch/CP Marcus Stroman.

Each week Blue Jays Confidential will ask a panel of Sportsnet Blue Jays Insiders and personalities to weigh in on issues big and small with the team, and around Major League Baseball.

1. What event/quote/piece of news from All-Star week caught your eye the most?

Jeff Blair (@SNJeffBlair):

Tough to argue against Vladdy, Jr. You’ll have to look elsewhere to find somebody spoiling the narrative.

Arden Zwelling (@ArdenZwelling):

It was Wednesday night’s Atlantic League All-Star Game in York, Pa., where Trackman technology was used to rule balls and strikes. The Atlantic League is experimenting with a bunch of modernizations this season that we could see in MLB someday — banning mount visits, bigger bases, a three-batter minimum for pitchers. And in the second half of the season they’ll be implementing a rule that allows batters to steal first on wild pitches and passed balls. Not sure where I land on that one just yet. But an electronically ruled strike zone is long overdue.

Marcus Stroman named Blue Jays all-star; Vladimir Guerrero Jr. in home run derby

Marcus Stroman named Blue Jays all-star; Vladimir Guerrero Jr. in home run derby TORONTO — Ace right-handed pitcher Marcus Stroman will be the Toronto Blue Jays representative at Major League Baseball's all-star game next week. The 28-year-old Stroman, 5-9 with a 3.18 earned-run average, will make his first all-star game appearance. He will be joined at the all-star break on July 8-9 by Blue Jays rookie third baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr., who will compete in the home run derby. In his latest outing on Saturday, Stroman left the game early after throwing two pitches in the fifth inning because of some discomfort in his non-throwing shoulder.

In return , the Blue Jays are set to receive pitching prospects Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods-Richardson. Kay, currently in Class AAA, was a With the Blue Jays a distant fourth in the American League East division, Stroman was seen as one of the most likely candidates to be dealt before the

Toronto Blue Jays pitcher Marcus Stroman has put together one of the best seasons of his career in 2019, and was rewarded with an all-star nod. Through 18 starts he carries a 3.18 ERA and is on pace to flirt with 200 innings for the third time. Despite the history of success and durability, Stroman likely

Blue Jays Confidential: Is pitching a must in return for Marcus Stroman?© Provided by Rogers Media Inc Marcus Stroman.

Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi):

The most pivotal stuff from All-Star week always comes from what the commissioner and MLBPA head say during their availability with the BBWAA, and this comment from Rob Manfred about the Rays plan to split time between Tampa Bay and Montreal was super intriguing: “To address what has been an ongoing issue, I think the owners are prepared to live with the idea that they’d operate in two markets. It needs to get resolved somehow. If it means we give up a potential expansion site to solidify where we are, so be it.”

That he describes the Montreal market in such a fashion positions it as a major concession, which theoretically elevates its status against other markets. Also, it seems to confirm that one way or another, the resolution of the Rays’ situation runs through Montreal.

Yankees trade rumors: New York inquiring about package deal for Blue Jays’ Marcus Stroman, Ken Giles

Yankees trade rumors: New York inquiring about package deal for Blue Jays’ Marcus Stroman, Ken Giles New York has inquired about a potential package deal for Toronto starter Marcus Stroman and reliever Ken Giles, according to TSN.

A high resolution version of Marcus Stroman doing his pre game warmup routine in the bullpen at the Rogers Centre. Six pieces of gum and some fancy footwork.

The Blue Jays will acquire Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods-Richardson for Stroman . On Sunday, the New York Mets and Toronto Blue Jays agreed to a trade that will land Marcus The purpose of this article, meanwhile, is to examine the two pitching prospects the Blue Jays received in return

Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith):

Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s display of power in the Home Run Derby was something special. You don’t get that kind of performance every year, and this one came from the derby’s youngest ever contestant. Here in Toronto we’ve known about Vlad Jr. for a while. After Monday, all sports fans should have him on their radar.

Mike Wilner (@Wilnerness590):

Vladdy, Jr. He may not have taken the trophy home Monday night at the Home Run Derby, but it was completely his night. I was on a highway in western Pennsylvania, taking my 14 year-old daughter on an All-Star break road trip, and the two of us listened to Guerrero’s rounds on the radio. My teenage girl who has only a passing interest in baseball was riveted – nervous, excited, anxious. It was amazing. That second round against Joc Pederson alone could have been the entire derby and it would have been the best ever.

Gregor Chisholm: The Blue Jays and Marcus Stroman’s camp have nothing to say to each other

Gregor Chisholm: The Blue Jays and Marcus Stroman’s camp have nothing to say to each other The question everybody seems to be asking these days is why aren’t the Blue Jays doing more to sign Marcus Stroman to a long-term contract? It’s a complicated answer. Stroman’s imminent departure has a been fait accompli since at least the start of spring training. Stroman met with the media for the first time in 2019 and announced he had been waiting for a long-term extension from the Blue Jays and had been “offered nothing.” The pointed comments brought back memories of Josh Donaldson and Jose Bautista, who made similar statements on their way out the door. They claimed they wanted to stay but did not believe the front office had much interest in keeping them around.

Jeff Blair joined by guest co-host Michael Traikos discusses whether now is the right time for the Blue Jays to look into trading Marcus Stroman ? Or should

Marcus Stroman held court with reporters on Sunday and put the Blue Jays front office on blast for the lack of an extension offer. Now whether Stroman embodies the city of Toronto more than anyone else is certainly up for debate, but he’s certainly been embraced in many quarters and made an effort

2. Do the Blue Jays need to acquire MLB or close-to-ready MLB pitching in any pre-July 31 dealings, or should they simply look for the best talent available and then try to package other players currently in the organization for help on the mound, either now or the off-season?

Jeff Blair (@SNJeffBlair):

Best talent – including a middle of the order hitter.

Arden Zwelling (@ArdenZwelling):

You always take the best talent available, whether in trade, the amateur draft, on the international market, etc. I do think that if the Blue Jays had two options that they felt similarly about in terms of future value, one a hitter and one a pitcher, they would go with the latter. But they should never take a lesser package in terms of value merely to fill a positional need.

Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi):

Provided there isn’t a major disparity between the options, yes, absolutely, they must prioritize some near-term big-league pitching. Dealing away Marcus Stroman and Ken Giles without getting some arms back would be a major failure, because ultimately you need a pool of arms for a successful or pitcher or two to emerge. Why? Think of what the Blue Jays gave up for David Price: Daniel Norris, the prime prospect at the time, Jairo Labourt and Matt Boyd, whom the Blue Jays were least worried about. As it turned out, Boyd has been by far the best player Alex Anthopoulos surrendered that summer, underlining why volume matters when developing from within. The Blue Jays lack volume on the arm side. They have to fix that.

MLB Rumors: Red Sox Sent ‘Top Advisor’ To Watch Marcus Stroman Start

MLB Rumors: Red Sox Sent ‘Top Advisor’ To Watch Marcus Stroman Start The Boston Red Sox already filled the hole in their rotation with Andrew Cashner but might the defending champions be looking to make a far bigger splash The Red Sox

Brendan Kennedy discusses Blue Jays right-hander Marcus Stroman 's second minor-league rehabilitation start pitching for the Triple-A Buffalo Bisons on

Marcus Stroman knows he's almost certainly in his last couple weeks as a Blue Jay , and he's speaking honestly about it.

Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith):

Personally, I think you limit yourself if you only look at pitching that’s close to the major-leagues. What if there’s a better prospect at double-A, but he’s a shortstop? Or a higher-ceiling pitcher at low-A? I’d rather have those guys. Of course all things being equal, the Jays need pitching. I just don’t think we’re at the point of adding finishing touches yet. Until then, find the most value possible, regardless of position.

Mike Wilner (@Wilnerness590):

It’s a dangerous game to make a trade for something you don’t really need with a plan to spin that thing off into something that you do really need down the road. J.P. Ricciardi did it, turning Shannon Stewart into Bobby Kielty into Ted Lilly in a span of four months in 2003, but it’s not something that happens very often. However, it’s better to take an “A” level return that doesn’t involve a pitcher than a “C” level return that does, just because you need pitching. A general manager can tie his hands by saying he’ll only accept a certain position in return in a deal. Very clearly, the Blue Jays need close-to-ready, high-level pitching talent, but they shouldn’t simply go out looking for the best pitcher they can get, if he’s not nearly as good as a position player they could acquire for the same price.

Jays add Trent Thornton to injured list with Ryan Borucki back

Jays add Trent Thornton to injured list with Ryan Borucki back The Blue Jays placed Trent Thornton on the 10-day injured list with right elbow inflammation on Monday, but the starting staff he left behind was buoyed by the return of Ryan Borucki, who was activated hours before his season debut against the Cleveland Indians. Thornton pitched three-plus innings against the Tigers in Detroit on Saturday, before a lengthy rain delay cut the outing shot. He gave up four runs on three hits, walked a batter and struck out three.

3. Do you buy into the juiced-ball theory and/or do you believe something needs to be done to reduce the amount of balls leaving the yard?

Jeff Blair (@SNJeffBlair):

I believe the ball is being made differently but probably not intentionally so. I’d be scared of over-correcting. Unintended consequences are often worse than the problem that was being corrected.

Arden Zwelling (@ArdenZwelling):

There is absolutely no evidence the ball has been altered in any way — other than home run records being obliterated, average fly ball distance increasing nearly 10 feet since 2015, the more than 30 players who hit 20 homers by the All-Star break this season (in 2015 there were 12), and the countless pitchers, hitters, and coaches who have been telling anyone who will listen that the ball is different. Nothing to see here! Should something be done? What can be done? MLB isn’t going to do anything to decrease offence. Everyone but a pitcher likes homers. Just enjoy the fireworks.

Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi):

Look, there’s some science to the juiced ball so it’s not mere theory, although the degree to which it’s responsible for the home run surge isn’t clear. Bigger picture, kudos to Bob Nightengale for re-opening a talking point many people are all too happy to see disappear, the possibility that PEDs have found their way back into the game. The truth is, we don’t know exactly what’s going on and what’s behind the spike in homers. Given the game’s history, we know that every avenue must be explored. Is that ultimately the X-Factor here and the topic in need of being addressed?

Stroman fires up crowd leaving mound in possible final Toronto start

Stroman fires up crowd leaving mound in possible final Toronto start If this was the Stro Show's Canadian finale, it sure was memorable. Toronto Blue Jays All-Star Marcus Stroman, who's widely expected to be traded ahead of the July 31 deadline, displayed plenty of emotion at the end of what was quite possibly his final home start for the team. As he exited the mound after tossing seven innings of one-run ball against the Cleveland Indians, a fired-up Stroman gestured to the Rogers Centre crowd and appeared to have a message for Blue Jays fans. From The 6 to Number 6 ????@MStrooo6 | #StroShowpic.twitter.

Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith):

Major-league baseball needs to find and share some more precise answers here. Otherwise players and fans will still be wondering why the ball changed. I don’t think this is a conspiracy to increase offence, but I do think players and fans deserve to know what has happened to the baseball.

Mike Wilner (@Wilnerness590):

Let’s say Calgary’s Mike Soroka, the Atlanta All-Star pitcher who is allowing the same 0.4 homers per nine innings that he gave up last season, is the exception who proves the rule. The ball is very clearly juiced, though MLB insists it’s unintentional. I question whether deadening the ball would result in more fun, active baseball or just turn some of the home runs we’re seeing now into fly ball outs. If baseball wants more action, hitters need to learn their way around the shift. Of course, the fact that arbitration awards incentivize home runs doesn’t help with that.

4. Nate Pearson really turned some heads Sunday in the MLB Futures Game. If he continues to dominate Double-A (0.964 WHIP, 10.3 K/9 ), is he on a path to make a September start or few for the Blue Jays before year-end? Perhaps even sooner?

Jeff Blair (@SNJeffBlair):

Nope. Needs innings in the minors and a regular off-season. No more stress.

Arden Zwelling (@ArdenZwelling):

I think the Blue Jays are going to be pretty careful with his workload over the next few months. He threw only 42 innings combined over 2017 and 2018. And he’s already up to 49 this season. I bet he finishes the year at Triple-A, gets a big-league camp invite next spring, and competes for a spot in the opening day rotation.

Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi):

I asked about this just before the break and while it wasn’t ruled out, it sure wasn’t talked up. For now, the sense I have is that the Blue Jays want Pearson to continue starting through the end of the minor-league season to rebuild his physical base after losing virtually all of last year to injury. I could see some value in letting him get some innings out of the bullpen before season’s end, but that notion got shot down when I brought up.

Report: Twins interested in Blue Jays' Hudson

Report: Twins interested in Blue Jays' Hudson In their hunt for relief help, the Minnesota Twins are showing interest in Toronto Blue Jays right-hander Daniel Hudson, reports Jon Morosi of MLB Network. Hudson isn't the only Blue Jays pitcher who the Twins have targeted, as the AL Central contenders have previously considered closer Ken Giles and starter Marcus Stroman, Morosi notes. After a rough start to the season, Hudson has settled down and become one of the more coveted middle relievers on the trade market, with the Boston Red Sox recently checking in as well. Hudson has authored a 2.80 ERA over 45 innings, notching a pair of saves in the process. Batters are hitting .207 against the righty, who owns a 22.

Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith):

To this point, we’ve seen professional hitters struggle to hit Pearson’s stuff at every level. Clearly, his pitches have a chance to be dominant. If he advances to triple-A and continues to thrive there, you could make the case that he needs to finish his development in the major-leagues, where the lights are brighter and the pressure to execute those plus pitches increases. For that reason, I think a 2019 call-up is possible.

Mike Wilner (@Wilnerness590):

Maybe? But probably not. I think we’ll see him in Buffalo in August, and from there anything is possible, but he’s already thrown more than twice as many innings as he did last year (Arizona Fall League included) after throwing only 20 professional innings in 2017. It’s hard to imagine the Blue Jays wanting him to pitch into September, but you never know. I’d love to see it.

5.The Blue Jays should consider 2019 a success if ____ occurs between now and the end of the season.

Jeff Blair (@SNJeffBlair):

They don’t lose 100 games, Vladdy stays healthy and Bo and Cavan are playing every day.

Arden Zwelling (@ArdenZwelling):

The Blue Jays are 23 games under.500 and on pace to lose 100 times, so the major-league season can in no way be described as a success. You play the games to win. And in that regard, the Blue Jays have failed. But if Lourdes Gurriel Jr. continues to perform like an All-Star as pitchers adjust to him, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. better assimilates to major-league life and begins playing closer to his potential, Bo Bichette reaches the majors and thrives, Cavan Biggio keeps doing what he’s doing, Danny Jansen’s bat comes around, some off-the-board organizational prospects make unexpected leaps, and high-upside, impactful young players (preferably pitchers) are acquired in exchange for Marcus Stroman and Ken Giles, the Blue Jays will have plenty of positives to carry into the off-season.

Shi Davidi (@ShiDavidi):

… Bo Bichette joins the kids in the lineup and they roll through the end of September and they start figuring out the makings of the 2020 rotation …

Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith):

If they see continued development from their emerging core of position players while trading Marcus Stroman and Ken Giles for controllable impact players.

Mike Wilner (@Wilnerness590):

If they find that they have legitimate core pieces in Danny Jansen and Lourdes Gurriel, Jr. to go with Guerrero, Biggio and Bichette, and if (having apparently decided that extensions aren’t happening) they can turn Marcus Stroman and Ken Giles into a group of assets that will help lead them to not have to look for another Stroman and Giles a couple of years down the road when they’re ready to contend. In that case, it’s a success in the build towards future contention. There’s no way to spin this season as a success on the field.

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Report: Twins interested in Blue Jays' Hudson.
In their hunt for relief help, the Minnesota Twins are showing interest in Toronto Blue Jays right-hander Daniel Hudson, reports Jon Morosi of MLB Network. Hudson isn't the only Blue Jays pitcher who the Twins have targeted, as the AL Central contenders have previously considered closer Ken Giles and starter Marcus Stroman, Morosi notes. After a rough start to the season, Hudson has settled down and become one of the more coveted middle relievers on the trade market, with the Boston Red Sox recently checking in as well. Hudson has authored a 2.80 ERA over 45 innings, notching a pair of saves in the process. Batters are hitting .207 against the righty, who owns a 22.

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