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It's become the quintessential sports debate, a question that promises to fuel national talk radio shows and be bandied about in Boston-area sports bars for decades to come.
Who is more responsible for the New England Patriots' dynasty: Bill Belichick, or Tom Brady?
"I’ll start off," NBC commentator Rodney Harrison said on a teleconference this week. "I think it’s stupid, OK?"
will mark the first head-to-head matchup between the two men on the field, but the debate over their respective legacies has long since taken on a life of its own.
Brady vs. Belichick? Numbers don’t lie but it’s not simple
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Without Bill Belichick, Tom Brady won his seventh Super Bowl and is on pace to throw a career-high 53 touchdown passes at age 44. Without Brady under center, Belichick is 54-61 over his career, including 8-11 since the future Hall of Fame quarterback left New England for Tampa Bay. Brady vs. Belichick? The numbers don’t lie, but it’s not that simple. The ultimate NFL grudge match takes center stage Sunday night when Brady returns to face the Patriots (1-2) for the first time with the Buccaneers (2-1). For many, the Brady vs. Belichick debate ended when No.
Together, Belichick and Brady won six Super Bowl rings between 2001 and 2019. Since they split, the Patriots (1-2) have missed the playoffs, and the Buccaneers (2-1) have won a Super Bowl.
So did the coach make the quarterback, or the other way around?
Count Harrison, the ex-Patriots safety, as among those who are just sick of talking about it.
"I think it’s disrespectful," Harrison said. "Not only is it disrespectful to Tom and Bill, but it’s disrespectful to all those great players that came along that were part of those championship teams. Because, at the end of the day, it wasn’t Bill and Tom versus everybody else. It was an entire team.
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"Everyone wants to pit them together, put them against each other as opposed to celebrating success. ... You can give them props and call them the greatest of all time, and nobody would probably argue with that. But at the end of the day, it’s not, 'Tom's more responsible' or 'Bill's more responsible.' I just think it’s dumb."
Tedy Bruschi, another former Patriot, said that even framing the question as one person versus another indicates that outsiders "have no clue on how a football game's won."
"I understand the search for the answer to give people their satisfaction," Bruschi told The Providence Journal, which is part of the USA TODAY Network.
"Whether they're being agreed with or whether they're being disagreed with sparks the argument. So I understand all of that. But it takes a lot of people. And there's two people that know that, too – that's Tom and that’s Bill."
Belichick: Yeah, Brady was important for Patriots' success
FOXBOROUGH, Mass (AP) — Tom Brady actually had something to do with building a dynasty in New England, Patriots coach Bill Belichick confirmed Friday, dousing one potential beef with the quarterback who let the team to six Super Bowl championships. Asked by a reporter if he would have had the same success without Tom Brady, Belichick said, “Of course not.” That Belichick was even asked was a tribute to his obstinacy and his well-worn refusal to give simple and obvious answers to simple and obvious questions, routinely brushing them aside with non-responsive filibusters such as, “We're on to Cincinnati.
Other current and former players, meanwhile, have sided with Brady.
Former Patriots running back LeGarrette Blount justified his argumentby noting that Brady is the one who actually made the plays on the field.
Asante Samuel, who played cornerback for New England,that Brady's success since leaving the Patriots has given credence to the argument that the quarterback played a more important role.
"(Belichick) hasn't showed that he is a great coach, to me, because he had the greatest player of all-time," Samuel said.
JC Tretter, the Cleveland Browns center and NFL Players Association president, said he would also go with Brady.
"Obviously they both are huge parts of it, but I think Tom's extremely special as a leader in the locker room, as somebody who brings the best out of the guys in the locker room," Tretter told The Akron Beacon Journal, which is part of the USA TODAY Network.
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Franchise QBs have franchise-QB looks. Brady is no stranger to the idea — he did marry a supermodel, after all.Ah, yes, the football GOAT is as legendary for his follicular fables as he is his storied career on the field. Brady's salad has often been the subject of much discussion and fanfare, with good reason: The guy married a supermodel, after all, and just being good at football isn't enough of a reason for that to happen.
"We've seen him in Super Bowls – no matter what the score is, no matter what the situation is, you feel like you've always got a chance playing with him."
Matt Cassel, who spent the first four years of his career as Brady's backup,. He said he thinks of it almost like a time-specific split – that Belichick deserves more credit for the Patriots' first three titles, while Brady played a more important role in the other three.
"If you look at the first three Super Bowls that they went out and played, they won those Super Bowls by playing great defense, they were opportunistic, they took care of the football," Cassel said on "Good Morning Football." "But then you go to the last three Super Bowls, and this is when you start to see him become the GOAT."
As one would expect, the two men at the center of the debate have shared the credit and praised one another when asked about their success.
Belichick, for instance, was asked by a reporter this week if he would've had as much success without Brady under center.
"Of course not," he replied.
Yet despite their own input, the debate rolls on – much to Harrison's chagrin.
"Nobody ever questions, 'Who’s more responsible for the Indianapolis Colts’ success: Coach (Tony) Dungy or Peyton Manning? And Peyton left, and he won another Super Bowl with a different team," Harrison said. "Like, it baffles me that people can sit back and actually say, 'Well, Tom’s more responsible or Coach is more responsible.'
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"Coach gave Tom an opportunity to play. ... (Brady) had arguably the greatest coach of all time that believed in him, saw something that no one else saw in him. So I would just be careful with all those comparisons and 'who’s better' and this and that."
Contributing: Mark Daniels and Nate Ulrich
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Brady sets passing yardage record amid boos and some cheers .
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) — Playing as a visitor at Gillette Stadium wasn't the only big change for Tom Brady on Sunday night. He also was booed. But when the Buccaneers quarterback set the record for yards passing in a career on a 28-yard completion to Mike Evans in the first quarter, there was a mixture of cheers and applause along with the jeers. Brady, 44, reached 80,359 yards through the air and then called a timeout before the next play — though no announcement had been made about setting the mark. That came during the timeout. Ryan Succop's field goal a few plays later — after Brady misfired on a couple of throws — gave Tampa Bay a 3-0 lead.